Breakdown of hydrodynamic universality in causal first-order viscous neutron star oscillations

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Vera: We're looking at the paper: "Breakdown of hydrodynamic universality in causal first-order viscous neutron star oscillations".

Jocelyn: The gist:

Vera: First, who's behind it and why it matters.

Paper summary: Vera: So, we're looking at this paper called "Breakdown of hydrodynamic universality in causal first-order viscous neutron star oscillations." It's about how modeling viscous neutron stars using a certain theory of relativistic hydrodynamics—specifically the Bemfica– Disconzi–Noronha–Kovtun, or BDNK theory—can run into some problems.

Jocelyn: Basically, they argue that the idea of hydrodynamic universality breaks down in radial neutron star oscillations because things like causality and finite-size effects stop us from seeing that long-wavelength universal regime when the stars get sufficiently viscous.

Subrahmanyan: That means we can't always trust these simple hydrodynamic models for very thick, very viscous neutron stars. What they show is that this breakdown happens for a broad range of causal hydrodynamic frames in the BDNK theory when viscosity gets high enough.

Vera: They find that increasing the bulk viscosity pushes these causal frames away from what they call the BDNK regime of validity, eventually forcing all of them outside it when bulk viscosities are around zeta equal to one zero three zero or one zero three one g per centimeter per second.

Jocelyn: And this breakdown isn't just theoretical; it comes with real material changes in how the oscillation modes look. They find that non-hydrodynamic modes start getting damped on timescales that are comparable to the hydrodynamic modes, and the first overtone can actually become longer lived than the fundamental mode.

Subrahmanyan: That’s a significant point because it suggests that what we see in these oscillations isn't just simple fluid behavior anymore; you get these new effects appearing quickly. Plus, they mention that unphysical instabilities with sub-millisecond timescales can pop up.

Vera: Even though this universality breaks down, the paper points out something interesting about the gravitational collapse threshold. They find that the inviscid threshold of gravitational collapse remains unchanged in BDNK theory across all three viscosities and frames compared to the inviscid case.

Jocelyn: That's a bit like finding a stable anchor point even when everything else around it is shifting, which is important for understanding how these stars behave under extreme conditions.

Subrahmanyan: So, what this means for the bigger picture in cosmology and structure formation is that first-order theories of relativistic hydrodynamics might not be enough on their own when modeling these highly viscous neutron stars.

Vera: The authors suggest that second-order theory, like the one presented in reference eighty-five, would be better suited to study these cases because its first-order part is BDNK theory and it includes IS theory as a special case.

Jocelyn: To wrap up this paper on "Breakdown of hydrodynamic universality in causal first-order viscous neutron star oscillations," the main idea is that causality and finite size effects restrict access to the long-wavelength universal hydrodynamic regime in sufficiently viscous stars, specifically when bulk viscosities are around one zero three zero to one zero three one g per centimeter per second.

Subrahmanyan: It really highlights that even with these specific first-order theories, we see these features—like the first overtone becoming the longest lived—even in a regime where universality has broken down.

Vera: The implication is that at least at this first order, we are seeing these complex behaviors in a region where universality has failed.

Jocelyn: We need to keep looking into whether this breakdown is just an artifact of the first-order theory, or if it points to something deeper about the physics of highly dissipative matter.

Subrahmanyan: And we need to see if those unphysical instabilities they mentioned are actually physically real, or if that's just a signal that we need a higher-order description.

Conclusion: Jocelyn: So we've been looking at how viscous neutron stars behave when you use these first-order hydrodynamics models, and this paper, "Breakdown of hydrodynamic universality in causal first-order viscous neutron star oscillations," is really getting at the limits of those models.

Vera: Yeah, it tackles that idea of hydrodynamic universality—the general rule that says all these different simple equations should give you the same physical result in the long wavelength limit—and shows where it falls apart.

Subrahmanyan: It focuses on causal first-order theories, specifically using this Bemfica–Disconzi–Noronha–Kovtun or BDNK theory as a test case for how viscosity affects things.

Jocelyn: The authors are showing that causality and finite-size effects actually restrict access to that long wavelength universal regime when the stars get quite viscous.

Vera: And they pinpoint this breakdown happening at bulk viscosities in the range of zeta, which is about one zero three zero to one zero three one g per centimeter per second.

Subrahmanyan: What this means for structure formation is that if you're modeling a neutron star with that much viscosity, these simple first-order theories might just not be enough to get the full picture.

Jocelyn: They also noted some weird changes in the oscillation modes themselves, like non-hydrodynamic modes getting damped on timescales similar to the hydrodynamic ones.

Vera: And they mentioned unphysical instabilities popping up with timescales less than one millisecond, which is something you don't want in a realistic model.

Subrahmanyan: But here's a thing—even when universality breaks down, the paper says the threshold for gravitational collapse remains the same across different viscosities and frames.

Jocelyn: That’s interesting because it suggests some fundamental stability is still there, even if our simple models are failing to describe it correctly.

Vera: So, in short, this paper uses these specific first-order equations to show that causality itself limits how far we can go with simple hydrodynamic approximations in very viscous stars.

Subrahmanyan: And what's next is figuring out if this breakdown is just a limitation of the theory or if it points toward needing a more complex second-order theory for these extreme objects.